Port Angeles City Council members will consider a proposal by Mayor Patrick Downie to stop fluoridation of the municipal water supply and to hold a Nov. 7 advisory vote when they meet Tuesday.
Will Professor Pat REALLY put on his thinking cap?
Be sure to stay tuned to find out...
Downie has proposed that City Council members pledge to abide by the results of the advisory ballot.
Gee, ya think? If - and it is an IF - grandpappy Pat flips his vote, then the majority could be in favor of taking the fluoride out of the water. (Though it won't remove all traces of it from the water system...) So if - IF - Downie syndrome manages to stop prattling on and on long enough to get this idea to a vote and flips his, will any of the other members of the Fluoride Four change theirs? It's hard to imagine Gavel Gertie reversing course, but what about Dan Gase or Brad Collins? They aren't so much men as they are towers of jello. Will they get spooked if Pat goes over to the other side?
Next Tuesday is November 7th? Maybe to Gaul Potleaf...
ReplyDeleteI very much doubt that Pat Downie will be around to discuss anything on November 7th. It's no secret that he has stage 4 cancer, and is not doing well. By November 7th, he will likely either be dead, or have had to step down from the council.
DeleteWith that in mind, we all need to start focusing on who we would support for replacing Downie, since the council will have to open the position up to applicants. That is the sort of shift that, with the right person, could result in real results.
Gee, these Bozos really can't think straight.
ReplyDeleteWe, here, catch a certain amount of criticism for our exposing all the stupid things that happen in this town. But we're just pointing out what these clearly inept people keep doing. They are the fools that keep doing all these dumb things.
Case in point: Downie brings up the fluoride issue (again), makes a motion, and then votes AGAINST his own motion?!?!
If he didn't want the motion to pass, why waste everyone's time to bring it back up? Why keep pouring salt on the community's wounds?
But, I do hope they stop fluoridation, and do put it on the ballot. It would go a long way to restoring some trust in the local government, which is sorely needed, now.
Forget about the actions of THIS city council. They are toast come Nov of 2017. In fact forget about this city government. It too is toast at that same election. The thinking people of this town are ready to take back the responsibility of governing a diverse city. The Fluoride Four have fucked it up for all that might have come after them. Now we are going to create a new government and it will be reflective of the hardworking taxpayers and other residents who love and promote all that is good and wonderful about this town.
ReplyDeleteYes, but...Wouldn't it be a good thing to get the fluoride out ASAP? If we don't have to wait for that to happen, isn't that a good thing?
DeleteWe don't need another vote.
DeleteFluoride has been consistently voted down here since 1951, from informal surveys to official ballot elections.
Stop the nonsense NOW. Then if someone is hellbent for fluoride, like any drug they can score it in the black/grey market.
sounds like a desperate gambler....best two out of three, three out of five, five out of seven.... City just doesn't know how to just walk away and let things be.
DeleteHow will the city be able to distinguish which ballots were cast by city water customers, and which voters reside in the outskirts of town and obtain their water from wells or maybe the Dry Creek water system?
ReplyDeleteWhat would be the cost of such an election?
Or - maybe everybody in Clallam County should be able to vote on the fluoride question, because, almost every voter comes to Port Angeles once in awhile and must either drink the water or bring their own bottled brew.
Question: Did the City renew the Fluoride contract that was to have expired in May?
ReplyDeleteIf so, would the City be in a breach of contract situation if it stopped adding fluoride to the water?
There was nothing to "renew". The contractual obligation to fluoridate ended in May. So it's now an open issue like anything else. There can be no "breach" because the obligation is done.
DeleteHope that clears up your confusion.
Pat Downie: Dead Man Talking.
ReplyDeleteWhen Downie says he'd like to speak for "just a minute" you know you're in for a good, solid 20 or 30 minutes of blather.
DeleteToo bad he never learned to LISTEN more.
There's an article on this very topic in the Peninsula Daily News today.
ReplyDeleteDo I need to say that there are no comments allowed on said article, or do we all take that as a given?
Oh, so is that the important thing? It's not important that Eloise f'n Kailin is against the compromise? Or that the leader of the second class petition admitted she doesn't know what it will do to the city? Doesn't know that there will be no election of the entire city council? Idiot tantrums... THIS is why we can't have nice things.
DeleteYes, I had to look, because the headline said the council was discussing it tonight. But, the council meetings aren't on Mondays.
DeleteYou would think the PDN could do even the most basic of re-reading of their articles, before they go to print. They continue their decline.
And, of course, comments are not allowed.
Anon 7:13 sez "THIS is why we can't have nice things."
DeleteThe City Council repeatedly insults it's own citizens, blows tens of millions on "crony projects" that only a few benefit from, and you blame a 94 year old woman for the city ".. not getting nice things"?
You speak of "Idiot tantrums". I think you need to wake up, smell the coffee, and look in the mirror.
Hey 7:13am, Ya think that maybe Mr. Gottweed misquoted her? He's known to do that, you know.
DeleteAnd, the way I read it was that it was a moot point to have it on the ballot, because it would bring all the whacked out Delta Dental paid shills down on PA and make it all a circus. More so than usual. So, why not just elect council members who swung the way you wanted -- pro or con.
You must be one of them gullible PA sods parroting what you heard other people say.
What differences does it make what they write in the PDN, no one takes it seriously, right?
DeleteUnfortunately some businesses seem to think that people take it seriously or they wouldn't bother to advertise in that rag.
DeleteNow the PDN posts a poll on fluoridation. I'm shocked! Maybe they just realized the issue is actually newsworthy.
ReplyDeleteNope - just click bait to get their page views up.
DeletePDN has a survey of "want fluoridation of the water" go vote.....
ReplyDeleteWhy indulge PDN and add to their propaganda & BS?
DeletePeople need to remember the PDN polls are just "click bait". For those that don't know, "click bait" is a tool used by owners of website to track visitors, to justify advertising rates.
DeleteYou can't take it with you, not even political bribes...
ReplyDeleteI witnessed the council proceedings on this last night, and feel compelled to make a public observation. I hope that everyone realizes what a danger Mr. Collins represents to the community.
ReplyDeleteHe was in attendance by phone, and when it came to the council's discussion on the Mayor's motion, Mr. Collins indicated that he was against the proposed 2017 re-vote on fluoride, because the public has no right whatsoever to be involved, even as to a non-binding advisory vote.
Mr. Collins attempted to justify his opinion by claiming that "matters of public health" are exclusively the domain of the council. Such that when it comes to "public health" (which he declined to define, but said this term included issues such as fluoridation and vaccinations), HE gets to dictate his opinion to the public, and WE have NO SAY in the matter.
This is a very dangerously fascist point of view.
And it is NOT the law. The general "police power" of the government certainly allows such matters to be debated and enacted, but the "police power" in no way limits the participation of the public in the legislative process.
Irrespective of last night's council vote on the Mayor's motion, as an American citizen, I find Mr. Collins' unfounded and dictatorial arrogance to be most disturbing.
Yeah, and he can't seem to find a women's face. He just stares at her chest. He's still stuck in Beavis and Butthead mode, which given his advanced age, is pathetic.
DeleteHe was never elected. He went from working for the city to being appointed to his position, and then, when town was so disenfranchised by the awful things happening at city hall, ran without an opponent.
He isn't the people's choice.
The bottom line is that Mayor Downie overcame his personal opinion to do the right thing. That means a lot, and I am grateful that he became more aware of the fallout of his actions.
ReplyDeleteBut why do politicians ever think they can dictate your personal health decisions? That is illegal in our state. The Washington legislature has expressly made official public policy that "adult persons have the fundamental right to control the decisions relating to the rendering of their own health care,..." Findings, RCW 70.122.010.
The next time some politician votes to pollute your environment, forcing unwanted chemicals into your body from multiple sources (in this case any source that may have come into contract with the water supply), tell them they are breaking the law.
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