tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post1867191979870271354..comments2023-09-23T08:26:38.233-07:00Comments on Port Angeles Unearthed: That's Right, We're Wrong...MaybeCrypt Kickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-66058514604814989842016-08-04T09:18:50.764-07:002016-08-04T09:18:50.764-07:00The bottom line is that Mayor Downie overcame his ...The bottom line is that Mayor Downie overcame his personal opinion to do the right thing. That means a lot, and I am grateful that he became more aware of the fallout of his actions.<br /><br />But why do politicians ever think they can dictate your personal health decisions? That is illegal in our state. The Washington legislature has expressly made official public policy that "adult persons have the fundamental right to control the decisions relating to the rendering of their own health care,..." Findings, RCW 70.122.010.<br /><br />The next time some politician votes to pollute your environment, forcing unwanted chemicals into your body from multiple sources (in this case any source that may have come into contract with the water supply), tell them they are breaking the law.<br /><br />And BTW I thank CryptKicker for hosting this blog.<br />True public discourse forums are vitally important.Peter Perronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-2647469485930477482016-08-03T18:29:41.833-07:002016-08-03T18:29:41.833-07:00Yeah, and he can't seem to find a women's ...Yeah, and he can't seem to find a women's face. He just stares at her chest. He's still stuck in Beavis and Butthead mode, which given his advanced age, is pathetic.<br /> He was never elected. He went from working for the city to being appointed to his position, and then, when town was so disenfranchised by the awful things happening at city hall, ran without an opponent. <br /> He isn't the people's choice. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-27623102238298280112016-08-03T09:25:23.226-07:002016-08-03T09:25:23.226-07:00I witnessed the council proceedings on this last n...I witnessed the council proceedings on this last night, and feel compelled to make a public observation. I hope that everyone realizes what a danger Mr. Collins represents to the community.<br /><br />He was in attendance by phone, and when it came to the council's discussion on the Mayor's motion, Mr. Collins indicated that he was against the proposed 2017 re-vote on fluoride, because the public has no right whatsoever to be involved, even as to a non-binding advisory vote.<br /><br />Mr. Collins attempted to justify his opinion by claiming that "matters of public health" are exclusively the domain of the council. Such that when it comes to "public health" (which he declined to define, but said this term included issues such as fluoridation and vaccinations), HE gets to dictate his opinion to the public, and WE have NO SAY in the matter.<br /><br />This is a very dangerously fascist point of view.<br /><br />And it is NOT the law. The general "police power" of the government certainly allows such matters to be debated and enacted, but the "police power" in no way limits the participation of the public in the legislative process.<br /><br />Irrespective of last night's council vote on the Mayor's motion, as an American citizen, I find Mr. Collins' unfounded and dictatorial arrogance to be most disturbing.Peter Perronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-35652065717050874152016-08-02T22:15:39.638-07:002016-08-02T22:15:39.638-07:00You can't take it with you, not even political...You can't take it with you, not even political bribes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-12774157347888035802016-08-02T10:47:12.088-07:002016-08-02T10:47:12.088-07:00sounds like a desperate gambler....best two out of...sounds like a desperate gambler....best two out of three, three out of five, five out of seven.... City just doesn't know how to just walk away and let things be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-54473375177845905472016-08-02T10:03:04.650-07:002016-08-02T10:03:04.650-07:00People need to remember the PDN polls are just &qu...People need to remember the PDN polls are just "click bait". For those that don't know, "click bait" is a tool used by owners of website to track visitors, to justify advertising rates. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-36634469139010897672016-08-02T08:33:43.604-07:002016-08-02T08:33:43.604-07:00Nope - just click bait to get their page views up....Nope - just click bait to get their page views up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-23591078636814083092016-08-02T08:33:25.066-07:002016-08-02T08:33:25.066-07:00Unfortunately some businesses seem to think that p...Unfortunately some businesses seem to think that people take it seriously or they wouldn't bother to advertise in that rag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-55304179705805654782016-08-01T20:42:37.810-07:002016-08-01T20:42:37.810-07:00What differences does it make what they write in t...What differences does it make what they write in the PDN, no one takes it seriously, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-38402144799056085162016-08-01T20:42:13.057-07:002016-08-01T20:42:13.057-07:00Hey 7:13am, Ya think that maybe Mr. Gottweed misqu...Hey 7:13am, Ya think that maybe Mr. Gottweed misquoted her? He's known to do that, you know.<br /> And, the way I read it was that it was a moot point to have it on the ballot, because it would bring all the whacked out Delta Dental paid shills down on PA and make it all a circus. More so than usual. So, why not just elect council members who swung the way you wanted -- pro or con. <br /> You must be one of them gullible PA sods parroting what you heard other people say. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-35457838576134044342016-08-01T20:31:28.139-07:002016-08-01T20:31:28.139-07:00Why indulge PDN and add to their propaganda & ...Why indulge PDN and add to their propaganda & BS?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-47743452790411376372016-08-01T19:22:49.368-07:002016-08-01T19:22:49.368-07:00Anon 7:13 sez "THIS is why we can't have ...Anon 7:13 sez "THIS is why we can't have nice things."<br /><br /> The City Council repeatedly insults it's own citizens, blows tens of millions on "crony projects" that only a few benefit from, and you blame a 94 year old woman for the city ".. not getting nice things"?<br /><br /> You speak of "Idiot tantrums". I think you need to wake up, smell the coffee, and look in the mirror. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-81544214511793289632016-08-01T14:17:30.411-07:002016-08-01T14:17:30.411-07:00PDN has a survey of "want fluoridation of the...PDN has a survey of "want fluoridation of the water" go vote..... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-38382107620392777322016-08-01T09:44:08.628-07:002016-08-01T09:44:08.628-07:00There was nothing to "renew". The contra...There was nothing to "renew". The contractual obligation to fluoridate ended in May. So it's now an open issue like anything else. There can be no "breach" because the obligation is done.<br /><br />Hope that clears up your confusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-89715989506709702502016-08-01T09:41:24.183-07:002016-08-01T09:41:24.183-07:00We don't need another vote.
Fluoride has been ...We don't need another vote.<br />Fluoride has been consistently voted down here since 1951, from informal surveys to official ballot elections.<br /><br />Stop the nonsense NOW. Then if someone is hellbent for fluoride, like any drug they can score it in the black/grey market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-67273220567918630572016-08-01T08:02:15.610-07:002016-08-01T08:02:15.610-07:00Yes, I had to look, because the headline said the ...Yes, I had to look, because the headline said the council was discussing it tonight. But, the council meetings aren't on Mondays.<br /><br /> You would think the PDN could do even the most basic of re-reading of their articles, before they go to print. They continue their decline.<br /><br /> And, of course, comments are not allowed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-77956518654268015682016-08-01T07:13:21.318-07:002016-08-01T07:13:21.318-07:00Oh, so is that the important thing? It's not i...Oh, so is that the important thing? It's not important that Eloise f'n Kailin is against the compromise? Or that the leader of the second class petition admitted she doesn't know what it will do to the city? Doesn't know that there will be no election of the entire city council? Idiot tantrums... THIS is why we can't have nice things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-69199213013660333962016-08-01T05:44:30.486-07:002016-08-01T05:44:30.486-07:00Now the PDN posts a poll on fluoridation. I'm...Now the PDN posts a poll on fluoridation. I'm shocked! Maybe they just realized the issue is actually newsworthy. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-62013656076959950682016-08-01T05:12:37.182-07:002016-08-01T05:12:37.182-07:00There's an article on this very topic in the P...There's an article on this very topic in the Peninsula Daily News today.<br /><br />Do I need to say that there are no comments allowed on said article, or do we all take that as a given?Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-6864887933389032472016-07-31T21:21:28.578-07:002016-07-31T21:21:28.578-07:00Yes, but...Wouldn't it be a good thing to get ...Yes, but...Wouldn't it be a good thing to get the fluoride out ASAP? If we don't have to wait for that to happen, isn't that a good thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-70793315824768402922016-07-31T17:10:34.344-07:002016-07-31T17:10:34.344-07:00When Downie says he'd like to speak for "...When Downie says he'd like to speak for "just a minute" you know you're in for a good, solid 20 or 30 minutes of blather. <br /><br />Too bad he never learned to LISTEN more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-82067350252539045212016-07-31T14:35:44.159-07:002016-07-31T14:35:44.159-07:00Pat Downie: Dead Man Talking.Pat Downie: Dead Man Talking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-5220836268415258252016-07-31T11:49:22.806-07:002016-07-31T11:49:22.806-07:00Question: Did the City renew the Fluoride contrac...Question: Did the City renew the Fluoride contract that was to have expired in May?<br />If so, would the City be in a breach of contract situation if it stopped adding fluoride to the water? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-53352859796800331522016-07-31T11:45:27.468-07:002016-07-31T11:45:27.468-07:00How will the city be able to distinguish which bal...How will the city be able to distinguish which ballots were cast by city water customers, and which voters reside in the outskirts of town and obtain their water from wells or maybe the Dry Creek water system? <br />What would be the cost of such an election?<br />Or - maybe everybody in Clallam County should be able to vote on the fluoride question, because, almost every voter comes to Port Angeles once in awhile and must either drink the water or bring their own bottled brew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-64873742556179340782016-07-31T11:21:07.033-07:002016-07-31T11:21:07.033-07:00Forget about the actions of THIS city council. Th...Forget about the actions of THIS city council. They are toast come Nov of 2017. In fact forget about this city government. It too is toast at that same election. The thinking people of this town are ready to take back the responsibility of governing a diverse city. The Fluoride Four have fucked it up for all that might have come after them. Now we are going to create a new government and it will be reflective of the hardworking taxpayers and other residents who love and promote all that is good and wonderful about this town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com