tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post6686934041612942250..comments2023-09-23T08:26:38.233-07:00Comments on Port Angeles Unearthed: It's Another GREAT Day To Be GUILTY In Port Angeles!Crypt Kickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-18431233945233665442016-04-05T21:24:51.118-07:002016-04-05T21:24:51.118-07:00Anon 6:57
No, really? You're not THAT dumb....Anon 6:57<br /><br /> No, really? You're not THAT dumb. You're just funnin' us, right? <br /><br /> There is a big difference between "benefiting" from being able to walk down a public street you voted upon as a city council member, and getting financial benefit for your profit making business via tax payer monies you have control over, and directly vote for. <br /><br /> You're not supposed to vote money for things your own business is going to profit from.<br /><br /> " Economist Ian Senior defines corruption as an action to (a) secretly provide (b) a good or a service to a third party (c) so that he or she can influence certain actions which (d) benefit the corrupt, a third party, or both (e) in which the corrupt agent has authority. Daniel Kaufmann, from the World Bank, extends the concept to include 'legal corruption' in which power is abused within the confines of the law — as those with power often have the ability to make laws for their protection."<br /><br /> And: "Public sector corruption includes corruption of the political process and of government agencies such as the police as well as corruption in processes of allocating public funds for contracts, grants, and hiring."<br /><br /> And "Corruption is essentially the use of public power for private gain." <br /><br />Have a familiar ring to it?<br /><br /> Man o man. That ya hafta even explain these things is bad, bad, bad. No wonder things are as they are here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-69746279908767516662016-04-05T20:49:01.014-07:002016-04-05T20:49:01.014-07:00Interesting that council seems to be shielding EDC...Interesting that council seems to be shielding EDC. It's a simple question. The taxpayers funded the EDC (via Gase, Collins, Kidd, and Downie votes)So the taxpayers should be given a list of what businesses received EDC help. Collins is on council and EDC and so far he has refused to release any records. At the very least this should be public record. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-91433592764363265622016-04-05T18:57:29.406-07:002016-04-05T18:57:29.406-07:00Disclose what? It's public knowledge that she ...Disclose what? It's public knowledge that she voted to fund EDC; that their service is available to all businesses; that she has a business. As long as her business did not receive a benefit that is not equally available to every other business, no wrong is done, nothing is unfair, and the complaint is what will fail. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-39812229187560913642016-04-05T14:54:48.938-07:002016-04-05T14:54:48.938-07:00Anonymous 7:19 AM...You may - may - be technically...Anonymous 7:19 AM...You may - may - be technically right, or mostly so. But, in terms of ethics, in terms of fairness, and in terms of full disclosure, this set up FAILS miserably. Anyone with an ounce of ethics in them would have disclosed the potential conflict of interest. At the very least.Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-21867826937475132292016-04-05T07:19:10.098-07:002016-04-05T07:19:10.098-07:00Oh, honestly. Do you think she can't drink fl...Oh, honestly. Do you think she can't drink fluoridated City water? Do you think she can't walk on the new waterfront? Do you think she can't park in the parking lot they paved last year? Cause she voted to pay for all these things, you know.<br /><br />Do you think a senator can't take a tax break? Do you think Obama couldn't use Obamacare? <br /><br />Every g.d. time a politican votes, they get the use of what they voted for, just like everyone else. Kidd has received no unfair benefit. You are pathetically confused about this stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-59910006653750489752016-04-04T20:39:27.462-07:002016-04-04T20:39:27.462-07:00Wonder when & what the Council will make of th...Wonder when & what the Council will make of this.<br />Will it make it onto the April 19 agenda?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-32893480954179248202016-04-04T20:36:12.122-07:002016-04-04T20:36:12.122-07:00@6:59AM, such a comment adds nothing whatsoever to...@6:59AM, such a comment adds nothing whatsoever to the discussion. A conflict of interest is a conflict of interest. If you don't see that, then you must be one of her handlers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-74103286763434451922016-04-04T19:00:27.653-07:002016-04-04T19:00:27.653-07:006:59,
Are you serious? Do you actually not see th...6:59,<br /><br />Are you serious? Do you actually not see the conflict of interest whereby someone with the power to appropriate money goes and appropriates it to a program by which they get a direct benefit?<br /><br />Does not a rational council member recuse themselves from such a vote to avoid the very appearance of impropriety?<br /><br />Shame on her and Collins both, he who sits on EDC board himself.<br /><br />This has the makings of a very interesting ethics violation charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-52597485857090697202016-04-04T12:26:53.989-07:002016-04-04T12:26:53.989-07:00Somewhere, Max Mania has to be laughing his ass of...Somewhere, Max Mania has to be laughing his ass off over all this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-83252581648556202832016-04-04T06:59:03.257-07:002016-04-04T06:59:03.257-07:00Yeah, good luck with that. When you figure out ho...Yeah, good luck with that. When you figure out how Cherie's business is not entitled to the same service every other business is entitled to, you may have a case. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-66027991949629189792016-04-03T21:22:29.373-07:002016-04-03T21:22:29.373-07:00Did the council ever get its 2015 year-end report ...Did the council ever get its 2015 year-end report from EDC? Do they even care?<br /><br />Let's see if once again "AAA Affordable Storage" owned by one Robert Forsberg got a BRE (business retention) spiff from the EDC, and/or a certain service "benefit" from EDC to a holding company that makes the end payoffs.<br /><br />Because per the City-EDC contract, the City is "interested and concerned with the economic utilization of services" of EDC, and the EDC "shall report to the City...on the status of...general economic concerns."<br /><br />Sheesh, if there's anything we need to pay more for, it's certainly "economic trends" and "general economic concerns" that only EDC can provide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-89665495009942116252016-04-03T20:27:45.189-07:002016-04-03T20:27:45.189-07:00Good luck, and please let us know what - if anythi...Good luck, and please let us know what - if anything - you get in response.Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-31811993026581686982016-04-03T18:53:45.213-07:002016-04-03T18:53:45.213-07:00@945 here again. Just sayin that many posters don&...@945 here again. Just sayin that many posters don't always follow the thread to the subject line, myself included. I have no idea who the OP is, and have no possible clarification, but he or she doesn't seem like a bad person. Guess I'm sayin just ignore comments that aren't chock full o' solutions.<br /><br />Our problem in PA always seems to come back around to, what to do? As for Kidd, sure, email Nichols and demand a prosecution. But politically something like that just won't happen with him (hope I'm wrong). Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. After all, if Marolee had not filed her complaint, one lone person, we wouldn't be talking about how to leverage this situation that fell into our laps by the perp herself!<br /><br />BTW this site has become my primary news source, and, having been awakened to how bad the PDN and it's owner really is, I don't even look at that rag anymore. I wish more folks would realize that isn't news, they are just being played by big media. Thanks CK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-31409738952441033572016-04-03T16:38:19.261-07:002016-04-03T16:38:19.261-07:00Just sent this to City Hall. Will be interesting h...Just sent this to City Hall. Will be interesting how they respond to Kidd's company which directly benefited from EDC for which she voted.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Greetings,<br /><br /><br />In light of the current trust issues with City Hall and the community we feel it would be important to bring about transparency with the local voters and taxpayers and we are certain you as our locally elected will agree.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Requesting that the voters/taxpayers see who has benefited by the Economic Development Council (EDC), since thousands of dollars of taxpayer money has been directed to it by City Hall.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />For example in the 2015 EDC report they state: Helping an excellent truck and storage rental company to secure various tax breaks... to lower the costs of its future expansion.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />What EXACT company is this. EDC and City Hall should be proud and we need to put this company in the spotlight to show how much taxpayer money has helped it. EDC was partially funded by taxpayers so we have a right to know about their success. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> -This is all about transparency and accountability-<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />To ignore this simple request will bring about more distrust and that's certainly something we all want to avoid as we are all better than that.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />It's best practices to account to the people as to who has benefited by taxpayer funded EDC. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Looking forward to your assitance in helping us out with our research in supporting this great city of Port Angeles.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Regards,<br /><br /><br />T. Smith and AssociatesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-23723712754978659392016-04-03T16:13:43.144-07:002016-04-03T16:13:43.144-07:00That HUGE number amount going to Nippon could, sad...That HUGE number amount going to Nippon could, sadly, be legit. It could be money coming back to them from the State and passing through the City's (grubby) hands, or some other legal-if-undesirable arrangement.<br /><br />BUT, yes, there are always lots and lots of questionable and interesting expenses in those reports. They can give you a much clearer picture of the (penny ante) scams in place and in play, as well as the ingrained spending habits of the City's administrators. (Like those big bills for Big Bill Bloor farming out any and all REAL legal work to outside law firms, as mentioned, and as just one example. <br /><br />I would be happy to serve as a clearinghouse or discussion repository for notable items from the expenditure reports. Also, let me suggest that citizens email questions about specific items to City Council members, and let them in on the digging and pondering over what they mean - as opposed to the blanket okaying of them every other week. Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-76896057739996259122016-04-03T16:07:56.962-07:002016-04-03T16:07:56.962-07:00Anonymous 9:45 AM...While I thank you for thinking...Anonymous 9:45 AM...While I thank you for thinking I'm "better than that," I have to admit I'm not sure what "that" I'm better than. Because, A) I don't see a lot of "crazy nationalist fervor" expressed here, or B) Lots of "discriminatory language targeting oppressed and marginalized groups." So C) I don't see what those complaints necessarily have to do with the local issues discussed here. <br /><br />But I am certainly open to further clarification of additional information from you and/or the OP. Have at it.Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-70734305163456809282016-04-03T14:08:32.540-07:002016-04-03T14:08:32.540-07:00Do council members ever ask questions about the &q...Do council members ever ask questions about the "Expenditure Reports" that they seem to just summarily approve along with a bunch of other stuff at the beginning of each of their meetings?<br />Evidence of runaway spending is attached to each council packet (available on-line, usually the Friday before each meeting) and is quite sobering to read. For example, the April 5 meeting packet contains over 30 pages of itemized expenditures made since the previous council meeting. Among them: a check to Nippon Industries for $237,991 (see p. 31; over $21,000 in consulting fees to Cascadia Law Group; many, many meal and travel reimbursements for staff; and on and on and on. And this is just for a two week period!<br />I'm sure that there are many questionable expenditures hiding in plain sight in these reports. If council members fail to question them, then maybe CK could start a thread where readers of this blog can report on their own findings following scrutiny of the expenditure reports? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-63868720757096238592016-04-03T09:45:19.954-07:002016-04-03T09:45:19.954-07:00Oh CK, you're better than that. While 12:44am ...Oh CK, you're better than that. While 12:44am may not have the answer, read the tone of the plea. That was definitely a person trying to figure things out in a complicated world. And besides, who among us has the answer for this "perfect storm of stupid" now on our hands, other than shrug & wait for the 2017 election? City hall aint gonna fix itself, perps like Kidd will never step down, so it comes back (once again) to persuading good non-sociopathic people to run for office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-65297488988358790842016-04-03T08:25:25.417-07:002016-04-03T08:25:25.417-07:00We need to make it very difficult for County Prose...We need to make it very difficult for County Prosecutor, Mark Nichols to let Kidd's perjury go un prosecuted.<br />Mark, if you have any respect for the rule of law you must know the importance of giving truthful testimony under oath. Kidd lied like a 2 year old with her hand in the cookie jar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-51916731084569649142016-04-03T07:25:04.576-07:002016-04-03T07:25:04.576-07:00Uh, yeah...
Lots of "crazy nationalist fervo...Uh, yeah...<br /><br />Lots of "crazy nationalist fervor here," that's for sure. <br /><br />Right...Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-81156756755803220202016-04-03T06:42:58.959-07:002016-04-03T06:42:58.959-07:00Plenty of French toast to be had.Plenty of French toast to be had.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-39122314792674040052016-04-03T06:41:58.998-07:002016-04-03T06:41:58.998-07:00Isn't this Cherie's last term? If so, how ...Isn't this Cherie's last term? If so, how very convenient. She can bow out without the ugliness of having folks campaign against her. The Council will probably do a ceremonial goodbye with bouquet of flowers, thank you for your dedicated service, etc and she can go on her merry way thinking she accmplished something. Today's (Sunday's) article on the ethics committee just continues my disbelief. She says she did the best she could in a difficult situation. Honey if that's the best you can do, lord help you if you even get a run in your nylons. I guess that's why she's opted to stay in Clallam County all her life - I bet she couldn't find her way out of a paper bag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-39953839832492162722016-04-03T00:44:56.332-07:002016-04-03T00:44:56.332-07:00I appreciate this forum but some of the comments c...I appreciate this forum but some of the comments carry quite a bit of discriminatory language targeting oppressed and marginalized groups. Plus what's up with the crazy nationalist fervor? Everyone does realize the good ole USA is nothing more than an illegal occupation of indigenous lands right? It's just another colonial project designed to extract resources and exploit labor for the ruling class. There has been a community living successfully in what is now called Port Angeles for over 10,000 years. Descendants of European migrants should listen, *be respectful in our use of language*, behave as good guests, and recognize our place and the work we need to do to heal this community and find a new path to walk,.. away from our current trajectory of a continued Euro centric hierarchical thinking process laced with patriarchy, sexism,and racism. The colonial mindset presents a disturbing ideology exemplified by the common and somewhat normalized use of oppressive language and behavior in our everyday lives,... which quite frankly is creating a shitstorm of community health issues and leaving in its wake an overtly violent and corrupt legacy for the European migrant descendant/colonizer community. Want to fix pa? Look no further than ourselves and the process European peoples went through when being conquered and colonized. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-68108141511474902502016-04-02T22:27:43.151-07:002016-04-02T22:27:43.151-07:00And yet another comment coming in raging about &qu...And yet another comment coming in raging about "Davey." <br /><br />Mental health issues much, troll? Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-63116510258639414242016-04-02T22:19:15.704-07:002016-04-02T22:19:15.704-07:00Ethics violations have a range of specific potenti...Ethics violations have a range of specific potential penalties, but the council can't remove another councilmember. So even if the Deputy Mayor title is stripped and/or other punishments, the perp can just keep on keepin' on until the next election.<br /><br />Don't forget, at what appeared to be Bloor's urging the council already had their first special meeting trying to water down the ethics code, thankfully there was no consensus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com