tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post6537168937878924463..comments2023-09-23T08:26:38.233-07:00Comments on Port Angeles Unearthed: Too Depressed to EatCrypt Kickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-89507529314719889212016-06-12T17:02:44.068-07:002016-06-12T17:02:44.068-07:00Yes, you are right, again.
But, this is not tr...Yes, you are right, again. <br /><br /> But, this is not true of everyone. There are some of us that pay no heed to the "It Will Never Work" song, and we keep working at it.<br /><br /> The latest example is PAPA. We didn't do the usual song-and-dance we are so used to seeing in this town with all the scam projects. We didn't get millions from the usual sources. We had a unifying vision, met every two weeks for the last year. We donated our time and physical labor. <br /><br /> 6 months ago we first walked through the abandoned building that is now our studio. Again, we didn't get millions from the Port, City and County, to start our non profit operation. We just rolled up our sleeves, and scraped, painted and did what was needed. <br /><br /> I know of other efforts like this, where dedicated people are just working on their visions, and moving forward. No scams. No hoopla. None of the "usual suspects".<br /><br /> But, having said all that, I still agree with you. The lack of conviction and dedication to a cause is rampant in this town. Too bad. Things could be very different, sooner, if more would just ignore the past, and work for the future they want to see.<br /><br /> Tyler Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-69397614750694742082016-06-12T13:48:43.946-07:002016-06-12T13:48:43.946-07:00Correction: Farmers Markets elsewhere are wildly s...Correction: Farmers Markets elsewhere are wildly successful. I've been to many in other towns across America. <br /><br /> HERE, like with so many other things, we see that Port Angeles won't support things it should.<br /><br /> If people don't support "local", then they get what they get: their money leaving the area for offshore corporate bank accounts. Poor Angeles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-88894112716186136872016-06-12T12:16:09.468-07:002016-06-12T12:16:09.468-07:00Corporations are simply amoral organizations dedic... Corporations are simply amoral organizations dedicated to profit.They are neither good nor evil. It's simply (A+B = $$$) with them. Its fairly safe to assume that had Albertsons or Haggens in that location been Profitable, other arrangements would have been made. The old Albertsons location became Goodwill. The old Mark It Foods location became a hot rod shop. Tradewell is Sears now. Commercial Real Estate in Port Angeles is another investment dead-end, and the right offer on the right terms could help this particular corporation rid itself of a White Elephant, while simultaneously providing tax relief and a cute story for their marketing department. And, considering the WTF Market caters primarily to clean food weirdos and hungry hungry hippies, they could do so while preserving the Lack of Competition they so dearly love. <br /> Whether I talk to Junkies or City Council Members, Liberals or Conservatives, I am struck by the similarities of their issues. But I am particularly struck by the similarity of their mindset... The one thing that binds this town together, the single unifying factor, is a thing I call Pathological Hopelessness. The Eeyore Syndrome. We're the town that's happy to take NO for an answer.We're the town that addresses two-bit small town corruption and chicanery with "Yeah, well, what cha gonna do?" <br /> The only song we can sing in unison is, "It Will Never Work."<br />And That, gentle reader, is why Port Angeles Sucks.... Cherie Kidd, Fluoride, and Needles in the Park are all just symptoms of our own self defeated mindset.<br />WTF?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01234650931011514523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-79591629816277995342016-06-12T04:53:35.842-07:002016-06-12T04:53:35.842-07:00Reality - the farmers market does not compete with...Reality - the farmers market does not compete with major grocers. The farmers market is a quaint throwback to a bygone era. If it were popular and successful they wouldn't be closing up on Wednesdays. Safeway x 2, Walmart, Country Aire and mini-marts have the city covered. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-47572371462735578242016-06-11T21:17:03.959-07:002016-06-11T21:17:03.959-07:00it's CAJONES. Spanish the J sounds like an H...it's CAJONES. Spanish the J sounds like an H. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-69560963219391337792016-06-11T13:12:18.333-07:002016-06-11T13:12:18.333-07:00what part of large corporate asshole ownership, pr...what part of large corporate asshole ownership, pricing the building out of grasp of ANY OTHER MARKET (because, they can write off, on their federal taxes the loss incurred by doing so) so that they can limit competition, don't you get? <br /><br />This particular corporate hydra doesn't give a damn about anything but money. Not people. Not the community. Nothing but MONEY. The evil corporate entity (and this is very much that) is all about the money game, not the "do the right thing" or create beauty in the world. The founders driving it are assholes, and their entire corporation is based on "more for ME ME ME ME ME". <br /><br />Pure and simple. Get the "what if's" out of your head. Stop shopping at Safeway, avoid all their corporate heads, and speak with your wallet, because they sure as hell won't listen to any words out of your mouth.<br /><br />That building is going to stay vacant for years. This corporation is known for that. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-23801639577861760982016-06-10T20:49:11.284-07:002016-06-10T20:49:11.284-07:0006.09.16 - you are late to the party that's so...06.09.16 - you are late to the party that's soooo January Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-73960399487866353392016-06-10T10:38:56.179-07:002016-06-10T10:38:56.179-07:00The city has power of Eminent Domain. They can ma...The city has power of Eminent Domain. They can make it happen if they grow some cahonies...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-6769326876236629522016-06-10T08:31:42.039-07:002016-06-10T08:31:42.039-07:00If you're cooperative, it is all okay.If you're cooperative, it is all okay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-43966916177769772192016-06-10T08:30:29.437-07:002016-06-10T08:30:29.437-07:00Anon 8:30 Everything is a matter of perspective. I...Anon 8:30 Everything is a matter of perspective. If this concept is presented as just "another market", you're likely right. But if this is constructed in terms of community benefit, as a venue where everything locals produce can be sold to other locals, it is a whole other project. Formed as a non-profit, instead of "just another" corporate owned market that tries to sell the same items, produced by the same multi-national corporations, as all the other markets.<br /><br /> This is a completely different animal. It is like saying the corporate hospitals will not support local street/homeless outreach efforts, because they don't want anybody else to be in the business of providing care.<br /><br /> You're right about the attractiveness of Albertsons being able to use the now empty building for a write off against their corporate tax liabilities; they could do just that using a community benefit non-profit they donate the use of the building to. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-56993457208944658642016-06-09T20:30:01.315-07:002016-06-09T20:30:01.315-07:00WTF, the Albertson's building is going to be $...WTF, the Albertson's building is going to be $2-3.00 a square foot, a year in advance, because they DO NOT WANT a market in there. They'd rather have no competition at all, and an empty building (they can write off their corporate taxes) than a building that would help the community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-78334970038550847962016-06-09T18:21:56.036-07:002016-06-09T18:21:56.036-07:00Again, I agree with you. This is a very feasible c...Again, I agree with you. This is a very feasible concept, and nothing like the Pie-in-the-Sky scam of "Light up the Lincoln". Unlike what the Lincoln proposed (yet another venue for local arts in a small town with many, already), this has many desirable attributes.<br /><br /> For example, as I write, the TV speaks of the region wide earthquake drill in preparation for "The Big One", already overdue by most experts accountings. We all know we have enough food and supplies on store shelves to last a couple days, if we are cut off from re-supply by collapsed bridges, etc. " Food security" is an increasing concern.<br /><br /> This was written about in the Port o Call a few months back. I'll look for a link, and post it. <br /><br /> And, you are right on target, WTF. For all the money spent supporting the cronies in their useless proposals, this one can support a LOT of locals.<br /><br /> You're onto a great idea. Pursue it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-43907781640438431452016-06-09T13:50:11.517-07:002016-06-09T13:50:11.517-07:00the problem with letting the "old guard"...the problem with letting the "old guard" be in charge of anything is that these are uneducated, untraveled, small-minded people who think that by suppressing competition they'll do better. <br /> The problem is that without competition things only get worse. Service gets worse, product gets worse, attitudes get worse, prices get ridiculous, etc. <br /> OH WAIT...Welcome to Port Angeles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-71088814839550121232016-06-09T13:48:24.287-07:002016-06-09T13:48:24.287-07:00only stupid people aren't concerned about what...only stupid people aren't concerned about what crap is put into our water for questionable reasons, and against the will of the majority (who took the time to weigh in). <br /> But, stupid people don't get the nuances of democracy or of corrupt government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-62113433740632735552016-06-09T13:47:06.180-07:002016-06-09T13:47:06.180-07:00Why would the driver of the hit and run vehicle (a...Why would the driver of the hit and run vehicle (a Geo Metro) be found, but not cited or taken into custody? That sounds mighty suspicious.<br /> The scales of justice are pretty darn goofy around here.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-76287555254554109432016-06-09T13:35:43.210-07:002016-06-09T13:35:43.210-07:00except the Haggen's folks (who used to be a sm...except the Haggen's folks (who used to be a small chain, now owned by the many headed hydra Cerebus Capital Management) sold the property to one of their many heads, and will keep the property rent so high that NO ONE will want it. Welcome to how crappy business sucks the life out of the market. <br /> The reason they had to sell off the property in the first place is that Cerebus owns both Safeway AND Albertson's. The FTC (fair trade commission) has a rule against the same company, with multiple names, dominating the market. (The Albertson's and both Safeways would be "competing" against each other, but not really because it would be going into the same pocket.)<br /> So then Cerebus comes up with this plan to make a local owned chain buy a few markets, and then they foist too much on them, then other issues arise, and then...oops local chain goes bankrupt, so Cerebus BUYS THEM. (One must think that it was all planned this way, because the whole deal is just too fishy. Haggen's did get a big court settlement...but still, a fraction of what their NAME was worth.) <br /> So, sure, a local market would be great. There ARE people working to put together a co-op for the area. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-83598229603715757732016-06-09T11:32:45.850-07:002016-06-09T11:32:45.850-07:00If the building ownership and Mgmt. were set up al...If the building ownership and Mgmt. were set up along the lines of a non-profit, they could concern themselves only with paying taxes, utilities, and doing maintenance. You figure out what that costs per sq foot, and there's your figure for rent. Since acquisition of the building would be the first hurdle, some kind of Foundation, Grants, etc. would be required. Most places would still need to be subsidised, (at least initially) and some sort of provision would need to be made there as well. <br />I know I sound like Pie In the Sky Lincoln Theatre Guy. This is just a smaller than thumbnail idea of how it might work. I'm not Joe Finance, and I have no experience with Retail Grocery, (Still, there's a Whole Lot of outta work Grocery people in PA at the moment) but I'm thinking all this would cost far less than the money we've already pissed away on Bus Stops, Beaches, Haborworks, Incubators, and crooked deals for all our pals.<br />One thing is for certain, and for sure - Except for their pound of flesh in tax money, the City needs to stay the fuck out of this. The EDC needs to mind their own dubious business, and let the people do their work for them. The (death) Chamber of Commerce, and all the other alphabet "Associations" can step off as well.<br />This idea is a brand new wagon. It would be stupid to hitch it to a dead horse.WTF?https://www.blogger.com/profile/01234650931011514523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-64962260300554289422016-06-09T11:10:30.395-07:002016-06-09T11:10:30.395-07:00It's a fine idea, but who's going to pay f...It's a fine idea, but who's going to pay for it? A building like that must be worth a million or more. The market barely breaks even every year and that's with a lot of fundraising too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-61242376253300762882016-06-09T11:08:02.698-07:002016-06-09T11:08:02.698-07:00Most of the vendors selling food, whether it's...Most of the vendors selling food, whether it's prepared or just produce, are using water at the market. Where do you think they get it from? The fluoridated taps at the Gateway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-8399632289631549662016-06-09T11:05:31.449-07:002016-06-09T11:05:31.449-07:00Rumor has it one of the gastropub owners purchased...Rumor has it one of the gastropub owners purchased the old Maurice's building with plans to open a restaurant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-53121464612710632422016-06-09T07:24:56.056-07:002016-06-09T07:24:56.056-07:00Look dammit, Edna Petersen didn't want a farme...Look dammit, Edna Petersen didn't want a farmer's market downtown so it got pushed aside. Farmers are too smart to shop at her place so she has no use for the. Plus, you can look at her an tell the only vegetables she eats is prunes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-66417464215069993962016-06-09T00:18:30.749-07:002016-06-09T00:18:30.749-07:00This is the best idea registered on this blog.This is the best idea registered on this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-27320003942040127482016-06-08T22:07:59.213-07:002016-06-08T22:07:59.213-07:00All reasons why WTFs idea is something we should r...All reasons why WTFs idea is something we should really seriously support. A "LocalMart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-80338204933055253052016-06-08T22:05:46.971-07:002016-06-08T22:05:46.971-07:00Great idea! Really.
We need to follow through ...Great idea! Really. <br /><br /> We need to follow through with this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-3857844215714945322016-06-08T21:33:11.344-07:002016-06-08T21:33:11.344-07:00back when the city approved the market moving from...back when the city approved the market moving from the courthouse to the Gateway, the council was not all that excited about it. They were their typical "stick up their arse" jerks about it, and they insisted that the market PAY. Welcome to the anti-business climate of the city. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com