tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post5172043277930702663..comments2023-09-23T08:26:38.233-07:00Comments on Port Angeles Unearthed: Bicker Bicker BickerCrypt Kickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-22515206242270740732014-05-23T08:54:46.504-07:002014-05-23T08:54:46.504-07:00Anonymous 11:10 AM
You've just created the pe...Anonymous 11:10 AM<br /><br />You've just created the perfect motto for Tom Harper's blog. Like CK said, liberals libeling liberals for lunatics. Tom Harper is a clueless loony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-54111900844262726472014-04-06T11:44:55.462-07:002014-04-06T11:44:55.462-07:00This town is so stuck in their own world...the rac...This town is so stuck in their own world...the racism is overt. To try and be polite people say "African-American" (instead of the N word probably used in conversations with their buddies). Except, that is so incorrect everywhere else in the world the adjective is "black". I hear any Spanish-speaking people referred to as "Mexican" (when it's Latino for Spanish speaking, or Chicano for an American of Mexican origin, or Hispanic for people from an area conquered by Spain and speaks Spanish). All Asians are called Chinese (no matter what region of the world). This area is about as aware of races other than homegrown cracker, it's embarrassing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-57352562560881340992014-04-06T11:17:13.877-07:002014-04-06T11:17:13.877-07:00In all honesty, I hope Sissi does not run for re-e...In all honesty, I hope Sissi does not run for re-election. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-75046593976999083632014-04-06T05:39:44.392-07:002014-04-06T05:39:44.392-07:00Yes, they'll die eventually, but then we'l...Yes, they'll die eventually, but then we'll have to deal with their kids, and grandkids...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-18235401133780251242014-04-05T22:25:43.267-07:002014-04-05T22:25:43.267-07:00Okay. I get it. No one wants to hear that our futu... Okay. I get it. No one wants to hear that our future is our responsibility. Folks just want to continue to blame Brad or Sissi or Betsy for not being able to fix all our problems, all by themselves.<br /><br /> So, we'll just continue to whine about the state of things. I get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-54982792518723676222014-04-05T17:23:10.495-07:002014-04-05T17:23:10.495-07:00I know the type you are talking about. These are t...I know the type you are talking about. These are the types of liberals who would be afraid of being called a racist if they said Idi Amin was a genocidal tyrant. I don't know if Sissi is 100% this type, but I can see how you might worry she leans that way. "Oh, I know a lot of people don't like Karen Rogers, but..." Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-68843904742660303442014-04-05T17:17:42.622-07:002014-04-05T17:17:42.622-07:00"What did you do in the Lavender Wars, daddy?..."What did you do in the Lavender Wars, daddy?"Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-12187412012955274882014-04-05T17:17:06.094-07:002014-04-05T17:17:06.094-07:00We went over and saw Captain America and had a nic...We went over and saw Captain America and had a nice meal. Port Townsend undeniably has a much, much nicer and livelier downtown than Port Angeles. They seem to have realized that people really will be out and about after 6PM if you give them a reason to be. Downtown Port Angeles barely gets out of bed in the morning, and goes to sleep very, very early.Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-50302775947237976072014-04-05T15:21:33.482-07:002014-04-05T15:21:33.482-07:00Don't get me wrong: I'm as disappointed as...Don't get me wrong: I'm as disappointed as anyone that Sissi has become Betsy Wharton part II, another go along gal. So many unanimous votes are profoundly disturbing and disappointing.<br /><br />But, I can understand her desire to avoid becoming a target for as much hatred and negativity as this town's evil cabal can generate. On a functional level, it's a real headache and distraction, and on a personal level, Sissi seems the type of softhearted liberal who would probably feel bad for making those bad people feel...bad. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-24116771461635941322014-04-05T15:08:46.997-07:002014-04-05T15:08:46.997-07:00Hey Anonymous High Noon...You are absolutely right...Hey Anonymous High Noon...You are absolutely right that redneck regressives are the minority HERE. And you are right that the minority often rules HERE. I am emphasizing that word because we get weird results here in Clallam County in elections - Democrat Obama carried the county twice (it was close, but he won), while local Democrats like Linda Barnfather and Dale Holiday lose their elections, and get sabotaged by their own party. <br /><br />So yeah, all politics is local. And so long as we have these weird voting patterns here, we're going to be stuck behind the eight ball and then some. And it'll be especially bad in those cases where the election is uncontested (like Jim Hallett, Brad Collins, Pat Downie and Dan Gase). Hell, even charlatan Lee Whetham was uncontested - did ANYONE really think Peter Ripley would win? Really?<br /><br />A big part of the problem, in my opinion, is that, on the local level and behind the scenes, politics and political party don't really matter. The crooks find each other and provide cover for each other, period. Everything else is a secondary consideration. The focus is one keeping a majority of crooks in office at all times. With that done, who cares what party they are? We all suffer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-26538582731310425672014-04-05T12:00:43.847-07:002014-04-05T12:00:43.847-07:00@ Anon11:12
It looks like you, and other peop...@ Anon11:12 <br /><br /> It looks like you, and other people posting are assuming that it is going to be one or two.. or even more people sitting on City Council, changing things. That either we play the game that has gotten us to where we are, or there is no other choice. That it IS about any of us standing up alone to be subject to what Max was subjected to. Assuming, or are not willing to do anything yourselves.<br /><br /> And you're right. If it is going to be about one or two people standing alone, while the rest of us sit back and let them fend for themselves, there is no point in trying to change anything. Simply electing a person or two isn't going to change anything. <br /><br /> Blaming others does not absolve the rest of us for our non-participation and lack of action. Yeah, Karen Rogers and the others took advantage of our collective laziness Wa wa wa.. <br /><br /> I'm not so sure we can just move somewhere else, not participate, and expect everything to be magically the way we want them to be. "Community" requires participation to work.<br /><br /> Or, put another way, Port Angeles and Clallam County are great examples of what happens to a community when too few get involved in shaping their community.<br /><br /> Don't get me wrong. I don't think the "beginning" of change here will be easy. Too many are obviously very accustomed to being lazy, and being content to point fingers and bitch and moan. THAT is the biggest thing that needs to change. <br /><br /> There is a lot of evidence that the redneck regressives are the minority in this community. So, the minority rules, because we are too lazy to do what is needed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-18108869157907531012014-04-05T11:28:44.820-07:002014-04-05T11:28:44.820-07:00It was so disheartening when the Transition Town e...It was so disheartening when the Transition Town efforts here fell apart, but it was so typically Port Angeles, wasn't it?<br /><br />I was aware of the rift between Neil and Andrew and Sissi, but have no idea what it was about. It's a shame they couldn't put their own petty differences aside for the greater good - that's what real leaders would have done.<br /><br />Sissi is now showing that same lack of leadership on the City Council. She has to know that the city is still waist deep in stupid, but why speak up when it's easier to just go along to get along? That worked for Betsy Wharton - for one term, then she got beaten by (UGH!) Brooke Nelson. <br /><br />I don't know if Sissi wants to do more than one term or not, but I can tell you that if she doesn't start speaking up, she's not going to get re-elected if she does run. The realtors will run someone against her, and that person will win - probably by cynically pointing out how little this City Council has actually done. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-16443120325628507872014-04-05T11:12:48.428-07:002014-04-05T11:12:48.428-07:00Anonymous 9:12AM:
Well, in a very real sense, &qu...Anonymous 9:12AM:<br /><br />Well, in a very real sense, "they" have "won" for the foreseeable future - if you call "winning" putting an entire community (if not the entire county) into a downward spiral in order to extract maximum financial benefits for a handful of people. <br /><br />What the past twenty years of "leaders" here have done with the human and governmental resources here is exactly what those in the resource extraction industries do to the natural environment - they've sucked it dry. Right now, all that's left of a civil, educated "society" in Port Angeles are a few dried out husks. <br /><br />So I think what the previous poster was trying to say (correct me if I'm wrong, poster) is essentially that you have two choices when faced with the hazardous waste site that is Port Angeles. One is to fence it off and walk away, and try to warn others about the dangers there. The other choice is to get out there with your bucket and start cleaning up the toxic sludge.<br /><br />Cleaning up that sludge will put you at risk, will take a long, long time, and it's unclear if anyone will come help you. (Look what happens to the few reformer types here, like Max Mania - they get driven out of town.) All you can be assured of is that you'll have a long, health-damaging slog through the sludge ahead of you.<br /><br />And that is why I think so many people just decide to pack up and leave; that's why the town continues to shrink. Why put yourself through hell and ruin your health when you might be the only one even trying, and when those you're trying to help might just cut your throat byway of thanks. <br /><br />Port Angeles is toxic in just about every way. That's a huge burden to take on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-22803486716853325582014-04-05T09:12:58.468-07:002014-04-05T09:12:58.468-07:00Hmmm. So, we just say " You win" to that...Hmmm. So, we just say " You win" to that small group of people that have created all these problems? Okay.<br /><br /> I'm sure those of them that are reading this blog will be pleased to see there is no interest in trying to change things here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-46471816633510712382014-04-05T08:08:32.694-07:002014-04-05T08:08:32.694-07:00You'd bicker too if you were a citizen and Kar...You'd bicker too if you were a citizen and Karen Rogers got elected and started openly trying to shut people out of their own local government.<br /><br />You'd bicker too if you were a business owner and the Chamber of Commerce hired numbskull Russ Veenema too represent you.<br /><br />You'd bicker even more as a business owner downtown if you were forced to pay into a system (of "representation" again) that was so incredibly stupid as to hire Barb Frederick to do anything.<br /><br />You'd bicker too if your utility bill was higher than others in the region - so much so that it caused many to be unable to pay it at all.<br /><br />You'd bicker if your kids were getting the terrible education mine are getting, and the administration just kept on smiling and ignoring their myriad problems. <br /><br />Bickering, here? I'm surprised there's energy for anything else but that. Port Angeles is the capitol of dysfunction and disconnect. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-21999501130163284272014-04-05T07:45:41.432-07:002014-04-05T07:45:41.432-07:00Like you say, there are lots of towns smaller and/...Like you say, there are lots of towns smaller and/or as remote as Port Angeles that have made themselves into something. Size and location can be barriers, yes, but they are not insurmountable obstacles. (And clearly having both the ferry and the national park here make this a good location in many ways...)<br /><br />So, why hasn't Port Angeles been able to become something other than another dying former mill town? Well, again, as you point out, there is a great deal of bickering and backstabbing here. It's a local culture built on corruption, and managed with incompetence. Neither lend themselves to longevity. But in the meantime, before the final crash, you can bet there are people profiting greatly from the anger and angst that have been sown here. <br /><br />Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em angry, and pick their pockets. Port Angeles in a nutshell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-20850509333100771102014-04-04T22:55:14.192-07:002014-04-04T22:55:14.192-07:00With this latest side-by-side/issue-by-issue bioma...With this latest side-by-side/issue-by-issue biomass comparison, once again it is made painfully clear that Port Angeles is the port of last call. No hope, no sense, but for you at least, an escape. <br /><br />So many good people have come here for the setting, the nearby nature, etc., only to be driven out by the human stupidity and shortsightedness and xenophobia and any number of other unpleasant strands of Roughrider DNA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-17087348175988791632014-04-04T22:45:24.234-07:002014-04-04T22:45:24.234-07:00Supposedly Rick Porter's electoral success is ...Supposedly Rick Porter's electoral success is at least partly due to his close ties to his church - and he's nothing but a cruel bully. Mike Chapman plays the church card quite a bit, too - and he's not exactly known for his kind and gentle ways, either. <br /><br />Churches not only breed division, they breed bullies. Makes you wonder what church Karen Rogers goes to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-12370287063940360792014-04-04T20:42:34.813-07:002014-04-04T20:42:34.813-07:00except their mill still smells like it's brewi...except their mill still smells like it's brewing cabbage.....choking stench.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-28240097496405089632014-04-04T15:32:12.714-07:002014-04-04T15:32:12.714-07:00Port Townsend, at less than half the population of...Port Townsend, at less than half the population of Port Angeles, is a much more modern, successful and cutting edge kind of community. <br /><br />Port Angeles, with more than twice the population, and direct access to Canada and a national park, is still much more of a "rough cut" kind of place. Port Angeles might really be something just as it is, if it were located in a Third World country. But, being that it is located in the U.S., it's really a throwback.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-56691123523853968012014-04-04T15:26:50.397-07:002014-04-04T15:26:50.397-07:00It's Friday, the weekend is upon us, and I'...It's Friday, the weekend is upon us, and I'd like to enjoy it. I think it's a good time to go spend a day (and some money) in Port Townsend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-3419867144691317292014-04-04T14:41:38.561-07:002014-04-04T14:41:38.561-07:00Good luck to you. I don't blame you for gettin...Good luck to you. I don't blame you for getting out. Port Angeles isn't a great place to live, but it's a great place to leave. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-4014072548361477022014-04-04T14:21:14.630-07:002014-04-04T14:21:14.630-07:00Even though the Pacific Northwest is supposed to b...Even though the Pacific Northwest is supposed to be the "least churched" region of the country, Port Angeles does seem to have a lot of churches for a town this size. Too bad so many of the people going to them seem to be hypocrites. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? No, it's more like those t-shirts from the 70s here: Do unto others, then split.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-56119354121491412132014-04-04T11:59:10.863-07:002014-04-04T11:59:10.863-07:00I find that a great deal of the divisions also com...I find that a great deal of the divisions also come from the competing brands of "my god is better than yours". I had the misfortune of realizing this years ago when homeschooling and several activities were only available to my child if I would sign a "statement of faith". Why? Because the big, big, BIG fear was that my un-godly child would ruin their godly one. The concept of embracing all points of view, and cultures was lost on these people, as was rational logic. And, this was to let my kids play on the playground with theirs. Disgusting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-35804027385572147612014-04-04T11:52:31.155-07:002014-04-04T11:52:31.155-07:00This isn't just a Port Angeles problem; it'...This isn't just a Port Angeles problem; it's a Clallam County problem. Like you pointed out, the Clallam County Democrats had essentially two parties for a long time. And even the Sequim Lavender Festival people split into two groups. <br /><br />Only in Clallam County would people go to war over lavender. It would be funny if it weren't so pitiful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com