tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post1938838511534091793..comments2023-09-23T08:26:38.233-07:00Comments on Port Angeles Unearthed: Whose Pan Are They Handling?Crypt Kickerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-50743635127299430462016-06-23T06:38:56.669-07:002016-06-23T06:38:56.669-07:00Side issue, but the city in fact would be delighte...Side issue, but the city in fact would be delighted to see more busking and Diane Urbani delaPaz recently started the PA Busker Project, trying to establish a tradition here like you see in Victoria or PT. http://www.go2openlive.com/pa-busker-project.html However, there is no more musical talent in the panhandling community than anywhere else, and most of the buskers you see have homes and/or jobs. There's no shortage of myths about both groups, or about busking downtown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-89249505723013648562016-06-22T23:39:16.000-07:002016-06-22T23:39:16.000-07:00http://portocallpublishing.com/2016/06/random-quot...http://portocallpublishing.com/2016/06/random-quotes-from-the-candidates-forum/Port O Callnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-87150899665003860202016-06-22T19:24:23.291-07:002016-06-22T19:24:23.291-07:00Nobody cares enough. THAT is the fundamental probl...Nobody cares enough. THAT is the fundamental problem. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-718902161256943512016-06-22T19:21:30.853-07:002016-06-22T19:21:30.853-07:00And, even if cities CAN do completely brain dead t... And, even if cities CAN do completely brain dead things like build fake beaches nobody asked for, or uses, or pass laws to harass the homeless, it doesn't make it a good thing to do.<br /><br /> Perhaps these morons would do some research, and find out how much it costs taxpayers to harass the homeless, instead of helping them out of the troubles they are in. <br /><br /> Like so many... oh, why bother. This is Port Angles, after all. The list of totally stupid is so long. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-41628621242696758632016-06-22T19:16:11.316-07:002016-06-22T19:16:11.316-07:00Interesting how we expect from "politicians&q...Interesting how we expect from "politicians" that which we are un-willing to do ourselves.<br /><br /> This is by no means intended to excuse our poor excuses for "civic leaders" we put into office. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-84803582540035830412016-06-22T18:29:02.823-07:002016-06-22T18:29:02.823-07:0012:35 - many cities enact these controls. The alt...12:35 - many cities enact these controls. The alternatives you wouldn't approve I venture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-88961764726537493912016-06-22T17:43:46.359-07:002016-06-22T17:43:46.359-07:00the idiot who uses the moniker (on Facebook and in...the idiot who uses the moniker (on Facebook and in ugly troll posts) "Ray-o-nier" (as in the polluted closed mill) is a chicken shit. He can't even use his rightful name, but relies on a moniker to carry out his insane posts, and poor attempts at "humor" (by misspelling people's names). <br /> <br />Stand up and identify yourself before you try to play and whip it out and measure, troll. You give CK trouble for not using his real name, but you don't use yours either. <br /><br />Typical PA idiot. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-9654647565561225932016-06-22T17:14:59.085-07:002016-06-22T17:14:59.085-07:00Being homeless could happen to anyone under the wr...Being homeless could happen to anyone under the wrong situations, or perfect storm. No family alive, drug or alcohol addiction, mental or physically disabled, poor choices, bankruptcy, divorce, etc...Yes, cities can put the hammer down legally on people panhandling but sometimes the choices are not there. Without the wherewithal, transportation or even luxury of being able to walk or drive (no car), no money for bus or just confused or in a mental paralyzed state, many people can be left behind and out of the loop without knowing where to go. Sometimes a hand out is all they have to maybe buy a beer to numb their situation. I don't condone this but if you give someone money, after you do, it's not for you to judge how they spend it as they may not have the faculties to understand? Do you think a homeless person would be able to access this site, let alone know how to without having a computer or knowing the library has them but are afraid to ask for help in knowing how...to use them? I believe you must have an address to get a library card? Busking is frowned upon here and in some situations illegal. (Horns, saxes, trumpets, etc..are not allowed downtown.) Yes, there is some help around but those places are not funded very well and come Christmas time almost non existent. I have no answers just adding my opinion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-31632831733571860442016-06-22T12:36:58.990-07:002016-06-22T12:36:58.990-07:009:10pm They are supposed to be doing this out of...9:10pm They are supposed to be doing this out of a sense of civic duty and pride. If they all put as much energy into the process as Lee and Sissi we'd have something. For the most part the old-guard city council are a bunch of lazy slackers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-91683520246968379682016-06-22T12:35:44.775-07:002016-06-22T12:35:44.775-07:009:14 sure they can, but the feds are getting FED u...9:14 sure they can, but the feds are getting FED up with them, and restricting grants to cities that create ones which criminalize homelessness. <br /> So, its sort of stupid, isn't it? Lets cut more services by passing retarded laws that do nothing except criminalize poverty which cause grant-based services to lose funding, which then causes MORE panhandling. <br /> Oh wait, that IS how PA does things -- the most difficult and back-ass-wards way possible. <br /> gotcha...you must be a genius 9:14Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-84859419618025592862016-06-22T11:59:01.256-07:002016-06-22T11:59:01.256-07:00Would breaking from the models most city councils ...Would breaking from the models most city councils conform to really accomplish anything and bring competence and vision to town?<br /><br />The League of Cities data indicates council members typically receive modest compensation for their work, usually because they serve on a part-time basis. The average number of hours spent per week on council-related matters in small, medium and large cities is 20, 25 and 42, respectively. Accordingly, only 2 percent of councilmembers from small cities (population: 25,000-70,000) and 7 percent of those from medium-sized cities (70,000-200,000) receive $20,000 or more in salary. Among those from large cities (200,000 and up), three-quarters of councilmembers receive $20,000 or more. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-62902022340846060692016-06-22T11:47:55.909-07:002016-06-22T11:47:55.909-07:00Full time politicians on a payroll-how can that be...Full time politicians on a payroll-how can that be be better? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-66046978786155579342016-06-22T09:24:21.281-07:002016-06-22T09:24:21.281-07:00The only thing DOA here are trolls for the status ...The only thing DOA here are trolls for the status quo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-50522718937485657302016-06-22T09:23:03.056-07:002016-06-22T09:23:03.056-07:00LOL, the law is nothing but a means to power. Heck...LOL, the law is nothing but a means to power. Heck, torture has been made legal. What does that say about us? So just because a city "can" criminalize something benign does not mean that it is the solution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-91393375321201592452016-06-22T08:34:25.756-07:002016-06-22T08:34:25.756-07:00The Council does have the ability to do their own ...The Council does have the ability to do their own due diligence and if they question a staff recommendation, they can ask that the agenda item be tabled and more information brought forth. That's their JOB. It's not about the pay for them necessarily - do they receive the same other benefits as the city employees? Healthcare? Retirement? Or is it just that they enjoy their perceived power, not realizing they are very tiny fish in a lowly scummy pond that is PA. They are of import to noone, especially since the Four, at the least, can't be bothered to do their jobs and serve the people who elected them.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-45159458197725811002016-06-21T21:52:31.050-07:002016-06-21T21:52:31.050-07:00The 2nd Class City idea is DOA and will not be vot...The 2nd Class City idea is DOA and will not be voted in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-51305632690973627022016-06-21T21:14:34.084-07:002016-06-21T21:14:34.084-07:00Marolee - cities can legally restrict panhandling....Marolee - cities can legally restrict panhandling. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-40202691064611411482016-06-21T21:10:21.462-07:002016-06-21T21:10:21.462-07:00Let's not forget these council members are par...Let's not forget these council members are part-time, lowly paid, and have no real ability to prepare and ask questions of the city staff that effectively run this city. The council currently has all the power, yet little time and pay is alotted to these maniacal dolts who rubber-stamp all the expenditures, thus doing their part in the big RICO scheme.<br /><br />Changing the structure of this town would put full-time council members in play, and require them to perform research aspects of their job that are not possible with this gang. My point is that even if you put better people into those seats at the next election, the structure will still be dysfunctional because the perps behind the scenes still have the advantage of time and preparation for their schemes. We don't have a qualified council because it's not a real job, just a rubber-stamp outfit.<br /><br />Maybe some of you think the next election will bring change, but structurally, no.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-23269555328640932412016-06-21T19:41:30.268-07:002016-06-21T19:41:30.268-07:00Oh, but 9:11, you see, 24% of voters is a majority...Oh, but 9:11, you see, 24% of voters is a majority around here. That's how many voted AGAINST FLUORIDATION.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-64184464780900472122016-06-21T19:27:50.962-07:002016-06-21T19:27:50.962-07:00I brought this up, the other day. The troll conten...I brought this up, the other day. The troll content here is getting obnoxious. I was the one that made he comment that the trolls killed Harpers' blog. Others may disagree, but I watched it happen. <br /><br /> I don't envy you, CK. It must suck to have to waste your time trying to weed that crap out. My sympathies. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-26417234077978242652016-06-21T19:24:27.395-07:002016-06-21T19:24:27.395-07:00Well said. Thank you.Well said. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-1930002432910294722016-06-21T19:21:46.132-07:002016-06-21T19:21:46.132-07:00"Programs" have to come first. Authenti..."Programs" have to come first. Authentic stewardship of those "programs" comes right along with it. If the money spent for parking and parking tickets downtown went to "programs" to prevent panhandling it might work. What does such a "program" look like? Do they look like they want jobs? Do they look like they might need "treatment?" Who ya gonna call? Washington is the worst for mental health already now add that we're a "distressed" county. The jails are the most likely "remedy" for the lack of mental health facilities here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-31069812346179173802016-06-21T19:13:10.394-07:002016-06-21T19:13:10.394-07:00You can accomplish both...You can accomplish both...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-78164259879552992422016-06-21T18:06:46.696-07:002016-06-21T18:06:46.696-07:00No, it has not been passed off. In my own defense,...No, it has not been passed off. In my own defense, trolls are (often, but not always) in the eye of the beholder. Yes, there have been some less than stellar comments posted, but, believe it or not, I'm actually weeding out more than I used to - including the truly obvious trolls. <br /><br />In the other cases, well, I guess I'm trying to err on the side of caution in entertaining the notion that some comments are just poorly thought out, poorly phrased, or awkwardly stupid - but not necessarily malicious. <br /><br />In any case, sorry for the "interference" of your experience. <br /><br />Unless you're a troll...Which is, of course, entirely possible. I don't think so, but...Just making the point.Crypt Kickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560627730845451894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3071606563611538039.post-83922868907297984252016-06-21T17:05:12.198-07:002016-06-21T17:05:12.198-07:00It should be just as easy to replace the current r...It should be just as easy to replace the current rumblin, bumbling, stumlin City Council - as it was for this group of "not ready for prime time" folks who faced weak opponents initially and then ran unopposed, because no competent person would waste their time or breath, for that matter, with this leaderless group. It may require some planning and commitment, but winning a Council seat is very doable . . . just ask Max. This would be the most effective way to bring change - not changing our governance structure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com